kowka:
lavaplatanos:
kowka:
wow ok i dont know why people get mad at the word cis but just a reminder, if using the word cis when its strictly necessary to difference peoples anatomy isnt offensive, then using the term “male bodied” or “female bodied” in the same situations shouldnt be offensive either
i mean
people moslty use those three terms in this context “female bodied and ciswomen are more likely to be surrounded by red squirrels than male bodied and cismen because their hormones attract this aniaml” (fact i just made up)
and i think that in this context it is perfectly okay to bring up peoples body condition
you are not going to point their anatomy like ” hi mom look this is my new boyfriend but even if you cant see his boobs u should know hes female bodied lol hey everyone look he has a vagina lmao”
no
NO, if someone did this, you would be in all your right to get mad and offended, but i doubt ( and hope) this hasnt happened to you
so yeah, when peoples body is relevant regarding scientifically matters (incluiding basic medical issues such as menstruation and prostate stuff and breast cancer) it is important to mention one’s biology
because it is ,
Uh, no. The idea of “male” and “female” bodies is nonsense. Genitalia, chromosomes, hormones, internal organs, etc. can occur together in a million different combinations. Basically, “X-bodied” terminology is just a way to project our binarist ideas of gender onto the human body. Furthermore, it’s labeling a person’s body without their consent. For example, telling a trans* woman that her body is still ”male,” even though she doesn’t identify it as such, is really fucked up.
It would be much more accurate and less gender essentialist to cut out the middle man and talk about what is actually relevant (menstruation, prostate cancer, whatever).
I still dont get how we can project our binarist idea of gender in medical context when the difference between sexes is black and white (im talking about the genitalia, and of course there are persons who happen to have both but im just generalising) when the very discovery of the difference between the two and the name they received was hypothetically before than the difference of gender, and thus the binary genders were named after the female sex and male sex.
Maybne if we stoped associating gender with sex and gave the sexes different, new names that when we hear them dont instantly make us think of tipical male or female person the use of these terms would start to be a less ‘gender essentialist’?
Like : “John is male and has a 90009 body” “Lisa is female and has a 90009 body” “Carl is male and has a 09990 body” “Susan is female and has a 09990”
Like starting to change the sex and body you are born with from the guide of your gender to just a condition you can or cant share with others like having ashtma or brown eyes ?
Because i still feel that trying to deny the difference and existence of the sexesis like trying to deny a scientifical fact and reality. But you are right that it would be more accurate to use other terms that arent that direct , like , do you think it would be better if i changed my last example and it ended up like “people with high levels of estrogen are more likely to be surrounded by red squirrels than people with high level of testosterone because these hormones attract this animal” ?
and uh i just noticed i totally lost the point of my first post about the use of cis being extremely similar to the use of male bodied and female bodied
ciswoman is exactly the same to say femalebodied and the same happens with cisman and male bodied
Frankly, your post was really hard to understand, but I’m going to say this:
I still dont get how we can project our binarist idea of gender in medical context when the difference between sexes is black and white (im talking about the genitalia, and of course there are persons who happen to have both but im just generalising) when the very discovery of the difference between the two and the name they received was hypothetically before than the difference of gender, and thus the binary genders were named after the female sex and male sex.
[…] trying to deny the difference and existence of the sexesis like trying to deny a scientifical fact and reality.
I already explained why the idea of “sexes” is ridiculous. There are no sex categories in nature. You literally just admitted that by acknowledging the existence of intersex people, and then… what? Said that they didn’t count because you’re “generalizing”? I really hope you realize how hurtful—and not to mention intellectually dishonest—that is.
Sure, some combinations of physical characteristics are exceedingly common. But humans arbitrarily choose to only acknowledge the two most common combinations. The male-female dichotomy is not a biological fact; it’s a human invention. It’s incredibly difficult to separate between our ideas of sex and gender in Western society because the two have been forcefully linked for so long. But certainly, our understanding of biology is severely limited by our tunnel vision on the typical “male” and “female” bodies. That’s the binarism I’m talking about.
By the way, here are some things you should be aware of regarding terminology:
- It’s “cis woman/man.” Cis is an adjective and there are two separate words.
- Cis/trans status is based on gender assignment at birth, not biology (although the two are often directly linked). For example, a person could be assigned male at birth due to having a penis and testicles, and may identify as male, but later discover that his karyotype is XX and he has an uterus. He is still a cis man because his gender identity matches his birth assignment.
- Again, you don’t get to force “X-bodied” terminology on people. A trans* woman’s body is female because she is female.